Edward Snowden on the question posed by Joe Rogan in the interview: How has government surveillance changed in recent years ? Why the smartphone is the new source of surveillance data. Complete German dubbing of the interview with Edward Snowden. Website: https://vpntester.de/edwardsnowdeninterview/ 00:00 Intro Snowden interview 00:08 Current state of surveillance 01:00 The smartphone is listening 02:15 IMEI and IMSI identifiers 07:57 Turning off the phone doesn't help? 16:28 Can we undo surveillance? 22:06 Data belongs to the users Edward Snowden on the changes in government surveillance since 2013: Yeah, I mean the big thing that's changed since 2013 is Now mobile is the most important thing. Mobile was still a big thing and the intelligence community was very concerned about getting their hands on it and dealing with it. But now people are much less likely to use a laptop and then a desktop computer than they are to use, you know, any kind of corded phone than they are to use a smartphone. Both Apple and Android devices are not very good at protecting their privacy, unfortunately. You have a smartphone now, right? Maybe you're listening to this on a train somewhere in traffic. Or you? Jo, you have a phone somewhere in your room. Right. The phone is off, or at least the screen is off. It's there. It's switched on. And when someone sends you a message, the screen comes to life. How does that happen? How is it that when someone dials a number from any corner of the earth, your phone rings and no one else's? How is it that you can dial someone else's number and only their phone rings? Every smartphone, every phone in general, is constantly connected to the nearest mobile phone market. Every phone, even when the screen is off. Do you think it does nothing? You can't see it because radio frequency emissions are invisible. It screams into the air and says Here I am. Here I am. Here's my IMSI. I think it's the devices. Identity of each manufacturer and the identity of each manufacturer's Dimi subscriber. I could be wrong on the term there, but the acronyms are the IMSI and the IMEI and they can search for those things. There are two globally unique identifiers that only exist somewhere in the world in one place. This is what makes your phone different from all other phones. The IMEI is burned into the hand side of their phone. Regardless of which SIM card they have switched to, it will always be the same and will always tell the phone network that it is this physical mobile part. The iMessage is in your SIM card and it has your phone number on it. It is basically the key, the right to use that phone number. So your phone sits there and does nothing. But do you think it's constantly shouting and saying I'm here. Who it's closest to me, that's the mobile phone tower. And every cell phone tower with its big ears is listening for these little cries for help and says Well, I see Joe Rogan phone and I see James phone. I see all these phones that are here right now. And he compares the notes with the other network masks. Your smartphone, compares the notes to them and asks Who do I hear the loudest and who do you hear? Nearest is the loudest for close range. If I hear it louder than everyone else. Then it is close to me. So you will be tied to that mobile market. And that mobile market will make a note. A permanent record that says that this phone with this phone number was connected to me at that time. And based on your phone handset and your phone number, they can find out your identity, because you pay for this stuff with your credit card and so on. Even if you don't, it's still active in your home overnight. It's still active on your nightstand when you sleep. It's still whatever the movement of your phone are the movement of you as a person, and these are often pretty unique identifiers. ..... Continue in the video or the full text also here: https://vpntester.de/blog/interview-edward-snowden-deutsch/ This is a German translation of the original clip from Joe Rogan Experience #1368: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFns39RXPrU Also mentioned was the Foundation for Freedom of the Press and its president: John Perry Barlow joe rogan jordan peterson german translation of the interview by vpntester