Learn more about anynines: https://www.anynines.com/ In this segment, Julian Fischer, CEO and Co-Founder of anynines, believes that the Cloud Foundry space is evolving as more users assess the possibility of moving to Kubernetes. However, in a large Cloud Foundry environment there is still no one-to-one mapping between that environment which may host 10,000 applications and a single Kubernetes cluster-based Cloud Foundry successor. Fischer feels that operational practice around the new technology still needs to be firmly established in order for migration to take place. In this segment, Fischer goes into detail about the pain points Cloud Foundry users are experiencing and what is hindering them from migrating to Kubernetes.